House Prices: When Down Is Up

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Even a short investigation of the UK housing market will quickly turn up cautious, negative or pessimistic declarations about the UK property market.

An informal survey reveals that David Hollingworth of mortgage broker London & Country acknowledges that the mortgage market may have stabilized and actually improved with some real competition between brokers and lenders for the sales wanting to go through, but even this little ray of sunshine is clouded over by his admonition that these signs should not be seen as indicative of a full market recovery.

Rather, they should be weighed in light of total lending this year, expected to be in the range of £140 billion, as contrasted to the previous year’s £320 billion, and signal a much straitened market in context of a much more depressed economy as a whole.

Looking to the National Association of Estate Agents for some possible levity, hope or surcease brings us the stolid assertion that buying can only happen if there’s money available, and that money probably won’t be available unless the credit markets get themselves mended fairly quickly.

Peter Bolton King, the chief executive of the NAEA, said: “In recent months the market has witnessed a slight increase in housing prices, driven largely by the fact that, in some markets, demand is outstripping supply. If more property comes onto the market the house price rise will flatten or in some cases might fall slightly over the first six months of the year."

That’s clear enough, but what about Melanie Bien of mortgage broker Savills Private Finance, who says Savills expects prices to drop somewhat in 2010 as pent-up demand begins to be satisfied and more properties come onto the market.

Because of this, mainstream markets are forecast to fall by 6.6%, but are not expected to reach the lows seen in the first quarter of 2009.

Granted that house and property sellers see softening prices as a negative, those lower prices can still be seen as a very positive benefit for the hundreds of thousands of home-seekers who want to find a quiet, affordable place to live.

That is, when the down of property prices becomes an up for buyers, encouraging and allowing more property to change hands, putting more homes over the heads of more families and that certainly can be a certified good thing for Britain’s working would-be homeowners.

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  • i want to move home, but when i bought my house it was worth £134,000, now its worth £101,000ish?

    id like to sell and buy a house that is anything between £90,000 and £150,000. i know i would lose money selling but i would gain money buying once house prices go up. question is should i sell now when house prices are down and buy a cheap house?
    unless its an RV, you are in the wrong place

    Cars and Transportation > Buying and selling
  • Credit crunch and today's interest rate drop - when to buy a house?

    I'm a first time buyer so for me, the more house prices come down the better. But I'm also worried about missing the boat - I don't want to wait and wait and then find that suddenly everyone is snapping up the cheap houses all of a sudden and the prices start rising again. Anyway have some inkling as to when I should start looking? Or is that the million dollar question? I think I'd have trouble getting a mortgage at the moment so next year would be best for me. Thanks
    UK reply.

    WAIT. The problems have only just started. UK house prices will drop at least another 10% during next 12 months.

    Banks have to get their acts together first after the Government bailout. The banks will also be acting much more sensibly in future.

    No more 130% mortgages!
    No more 5 or 6 times salary.
    It will be back to 20% deposit and 3-4 times salary. So prices are still unaffordable until they drop more!

    I remember the early 1990's crash. Prices went down 30% and stayed at the depressed level for 5+ years!

    Best suggestion is to SAVE SAVE SAVE as you will need to get a good size deposit!

    Keep an eye on prices in your area just in case I am wrong! Bet you I am not however......
  • Why do people believe that house prices will drop in the UK when the supply of housing is already not enough?

    for the increasing population. The cost of building new houses is going up and will go up due to increasing oil/energy costs, increasing cost of materials, increasing wages of tradesmen/builders, the regulation of soundproofing and insulation and other very exacting regulations on all aspects of building houses. The only way builders will build new houses is if they can get a return on all that cost. House Prices should go up and will go up in price in line with the increased cost of living and the increased cost of manufacture. Is it not time for the media and the government to accept that house prices will not be a give away price and there will be more homeless people without property being returned to a profitable business for buy to let investors. It is time for the banks to realise it is not the UK property market that is the problem but it is Europe and the USA that have bad houses for investment. Houses in the UK are built to more exacting regulations than anywhere else in the World. The UK property market is unique and a good investment and I am tired of people talking it down. Why do people talk the british property market down?
    Well it all depends on money, if people don't have the money then they can't buy houses.
    There are a huge amount of redundancies in the country with prices of goods and services going up, people's wages are being cut (including mine) and then on top of that they put VAT up.
    Petrol prices are getting crazy, train fares the same and food is at an all time high...it maybe ok for the rich but there is getting a bigger divide between rich and poor and the poor are struggling.
  • U.K. House prices... NOT a good time to sell your house right? SO... as my ex and i have split?

    up and each of us have a new partner, would we be better to rent the house out for now then re-sell when the house prices go back up again??? what is the up and down side of us doing this???
    Depends on who you believe...recent report in This is Money say's house prices will drop a further 10% until 2015 or if you believe the telegraph they will rise by 16% by 2015...

    Have you looked on property sites for sold house prices and got a valuation of you property? Sites like housepricesuk will give you an idea and also see what property is available in your area.

    Anybody that says they know what will happen with the property market is a liar, it all depends on your circumstances as to sell now or rent.
  • The housing market will only pick up when people realise that there 2 bedroom shoe box is not worth £500,000?

    The prices of houses in the UK have been overpriced for Years and Years..The sh1t has hit the fan and the only way to get the housing market moving again is for people to realise that there 2 up 2 down is not worth a king ransom.
    Back in 1977 my mum and dad bought a 2 up 2 down House for £4500.. The same houses are up for sale today for £120000 ...(And people wonder why there homes are not selling) That is an increase of 26.7 fold..MONEY HAS NOT DEVALUED 26.7 TIMES IN 34 YEARS
    The housing market will not pick up as it has yet to be hit by all the university graduates with huge debts to start life with let alone looking at a mortgage and buying houses. The Government did not look ahead on that one and no first time buyers will do nothing for the market.
  • Why are the tories just trying to prop up the housing market?

    The tories announced new plans to reduce tax etc for 1st time buyers to be able to buy houses, when really measures should be being taken to bring down the prices of the bigger houses. Without 1st time buyers there is not a market and the measures are just to protect the "fat cats" in their big houses.
    Their plans sound very good and vote winners but I think they're being very crafty.
    mortages are going up so house prices will eventually fall as people feel the purse pinch.

    getting rid of stamp duty is an interesting approach but as you said, it won't change housing revenue. That can only fall with market prices and isn't really something that can be controlled manually.
  • When will the UK house price correction bottom out?

    Taking the UK as a whole, the price of an average 3 bedroom property is still being promoted at an average of £160,000.

    This is less than ten percent down from the pre-crash high in 2007.

    But the hidden, unreported reality is that these current average prices are totally unsustainable in our present economy. Unemployment is rising, wages and salaries are frozen or being cut, while inflation is running at a minimum of 5%. This means real take-home pay is falling and falling.

    More and more homeowners are struggling with personal and mortgage debt and their home values, as they're currently perceived, are completely unrealistic.

    For those of us who know what's really going on, we're expecting this current average property price of £160,000, will drop 40% to a floor of £96,000 before a sustainable recovery can begin to emerge.

    The same is true of commercial property assets that are still grossly over-valued.

    At the moment, banks are falling over themselves to try and keep homeowners in their homes and at least paying something, otherwise foreclosure rates would be sixty times higher than they presently are.

    Our best guesstimate is that nearly 70 percent of all mortgage payers in this country are sitting on negative equity. We've avoided a depression but until the market catches up with reality and selling prices start reflecting where the UK economy really is, there won't be a recovery in house prices until 2025 at the earliest.
    The media is to blame for the current housing problems with it's scaremongering about crashes and double dips etc.Homes in our area are selling at around the 2008 prices so not much of a crash as a levelling out of prices and no big increases.Nobody unless they are desperate is going to sell their home for less than they paid for it so talk of all these cheap properties and repossessions available don't live in our area (lincolnshire) where properties were fairly low compared with the national average anyway.
    The only people in negative equity are those who bought using a 125% mortgage and borrowed through schemes that gave them their deposit as well which was financial suicide in a good market never mind a depressed one.
  • Really Need help!!!!!?

    When there is a Boom in the economy inflation and house prices go down. And when there is a recession, inflation and house prices go up. IS THIS CORRECT??
    No, it's the other way around. Property prices go up when there is a boom and when there is a recession, property prices decrease. Some people end up with negative equity meaning there is no money left if they sell their property. This is usually due to a recession in the economy.
  • does this mean the housing market is going to fall?

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6172088.stm
    House prices 'set for slowdown'

    UK property wealth has tripled in the past 10 years
    The UK's rampant house price inflation is likely to slow down dramatically in the next year or two, according to a former government economic adviser.
    The prediction comes from David Miles, the Morgan Stanley chief UK economist.

    House prices have risen more than twice as fast as general inflation in the past 10 years.

    But Mr Miles, a former government adviser on the mortgage market, says house prices will soon slow down so much they lag behind general inflation.

    We are likely to have significant falls in real house prices once those expectations come down, but... the timing is very hard to fathom

    David Miles, Morgan Stanley


    Housing market: facts
    Why are house prices high?
    First-time buyer woes

    However, Mr Miles cautions that predicting exactly when prices may fall is extremely difficult.

    "A substantial fall in real house prices is likely at some point in the relatively near future, though it could yet be one or two years away," he warned.

    Three years ago, Mr Miles wrote a review of the UK mortgage market for Chancellor Gordon Brown.

    Coming bust?

    This latest report, entitled UK Housing: How did we get here, is the latest prediction that the current house price boom will come to an end some time soon.


    Earlier this month, accountancy firm PricewaterhouseCoopers predicted there was a one-in-three chance of UK house prices falling by 2010.

    And last week, the Financial Services Authority (FSA) warned banks to make sure they could survive if house prices fell by as much as 40%.

    This year, however, prices have started to accelerate again and are now running about 8% higher than a year ago.

    Recent figures from the Land Registry revealed that the average property in England & Wales now costs more than £200,000.

    Speculative expectations

    In absolute terms, UK house prices have almost tripled in the past decade, but compared with the rise in prices generally, "real" house prices have roughly doubled - up by 112%.

    Mr Miles says the single biggest factor driving up house prices in the past decade has been the expectation of buyers that prices will keep on rising.

    As well as speculative expectations, the main factors pinpointed by Mr Miles are the rise in people's incomes, the rapid growth of the population and the cheap cost of borrowing due to low interest rates.

    Of these, he says the expectation that prices will keep on rising by about 10% every year has accounted for between one-third and half of the excessive rise in prices seen in the past 10 years.

    "We are likely to have significant falls in real house prices once those expectations come down," he warns.

    "But our simulations suggest the timing is very hard to fathom."
    Eventually yes they will have to fall!! Prices are rising at an alarming rate, and it will get to the point where it will be difficult for many people to afford to buy their own home. As the saying goes "what goes up has to come down".
  • What do you do when the area you live offers you no future?

    I feel so fed up of living in the South Wales Valleys.

    The scenery is lovely, theres lots of heritage and culture (my son has his name down for the local Meithrin and Welsh Language Nursery) and the crime rate is much much lower than in big cities (everyone knows each other so its hard to commit a crime in your own community).

    But

    Theres a lot of poverty and unemployment, its impossible to find a decent job, lots of drug problems among young people disillusioned with how sh!t life in around here and the future just seems bleak.

    We've been priced out of Cardiff and Newport because of house prices and rents down there so the valleys is all we can afford, but I can't see our son will have any future up here. I often think about leaving Wales altogether but then house prices/rents are even higher in England, especially the nicer parts!! How do people do it?

    When will the Government actually start investing in areas of the UK like ours?!
    Ligeia - how do you "invest in yourself" if you do not and cannot access the capital (course fees etc) in order to do so?
    spawnee - our quality of life is so low I can't see how it could be cut any lower!!
    Having looked at your question, the only solution that I see is for your family to move. The one consolation that I could suggest is that you could rent your current house rather than sell it and lose your home in Wales altogether.

    You asked how we do it London. Simple, I moved. I continue to work in London, but bought a house on the South Coast, one that was worth the money and that I could afford, not overinflated by the prices that City workers would be willing to pay for it.